Now what year was it that Baylor finally allowed dancing?

Baylor is a private employer if I'm not mistaken. They're no breaking the law by letting him go.

Still that guy got screwed.

i didn't say they were breaking the law, I just said it sucked. Which it does.

It's not exactly accurate to say that he was fired; he was a member of an advisory board and was removed from that. There's not a legal issue here because he's not a paid employee.

Baylor is a private institution supported by the Baptist General Convention of Texas, which means that they have 1) the right to have whomever they want on their board and 2) the need to uphold the BGCT's policies and positions, one of which states that homosexuality is a sin. It does suck, and as a Baylor graduate, I don't agree with the decision, but it shouldn't be surprising to anyone. Baylor has a history of forcing out gay students, who, by the way, have been dancing on campus since 1996.

Baylor needs to put its money where its asshole is, and refund that man's $65,000. If he is not acceptable, then how can they accept his money? Have they no shame? Does their hyprocrisy know no bounds? Pathetic.

Being a former Baptist, I know from where I speak.

Yes, Baptists consider being gay a "sin". They also believe there are no "degrees to sin" - in other words, a sin is a sin in God's eyes. They also believe that adultery, excessive drinking and gambling are sins. So one would think that they would treat adulterers, gamblers and drinkers the same way they treat gays.

But alas... as I have said all along, Baptists say there are no degrees to sin and all people are sinners, but be gay around a bunch of Baptists and you better run very fast - they absolutely despise gays. Baptists and other "Christians" like them would be the first to slam and lock the doors on the cattle cars loaded with the vermin gays. They are a sickening people and "religion".

While I think Baylor did the right thing, I want to point out two things:

1) Baylor, and for that matter a lot of Christians, are regretably two-faced when it comes to "degrees of sin." How many other faculty or staff members are in adulterous relationships, yet remain tenured? How many have a little something on the side?

Christian theology teaches us we all sin. Not to justify or explain away inconsistent identificaiton of isn, but I believe Baylor's correct in its position because in this instance homosexuality demands acceptance as not sin. You can bet that if a prof was outed for sleeping with a student, the school would take equal action. Several years ago, a faculty member was fired for child porn. Even if such a thing was not against the law, again you can be sure Baylor would have taken action because it's contrary to the school's mission to promote a Christian environment. I'm not asking you to agree with the theology, just understand the rationale for action.

2) Baylor / Christians should hold themselves to a higher standard. I agree whole-heartedly with Pink's suggestion that the school return the money. I doubt that will happen; if it did, the University would realize it need to return a lot more money than $65k.

From the article--

"People often ask, “What would Jesus do?” I also like to ask, “What would the Pharisees have done?” The Pharisees were the self-righteous, legalistic religious leaders who drew Jesus’ contempt because they cared more about finding fault in others than in recognizing and correcting their own shortcomings. When I compare my rejection at Baylor to the open arms at Doug’s college, I must ask, “Who acted like Jesus? Who acted like the Pharisees?” "

Ouch

Sure!

I'll suck his balls Mr. Hat.

Baylor- I appreciate your candid response, however, in my zeal to make my point, I don't think I did.

To the point, since Baptists think of all sins equally - and all men sin (as you stated), I suggest they return all the money from everyone they have ever received it from. Get it? The only "tainted" money is from a gay - a sinner. I suppose all the other givers of cash are saints??

Baylor sucks. I'll get drunk tonight and take a whiz in the fountain for all of you.

Thanks Nate!

Baylor rocks

my question is, why is a gay man giving $65k to a Baptist university anyway? It's as dumb as a minority Republican. Hello?? that's what you get for sleeping with the enemy.

I am third generation Baylor and my whole family has turned it's back on the entire institution. Very sad situation that Sloan and his cronies got the University into. We are all hoping that the new president will take the same stance as Herb Reynolds did and MOVE AWAY from the Southern Baptist Convention. The dance on campus was a joke, I remember being there and sloan having his shit eating grin on knowing that this showed his progressive attuitude....well it pulled the wool over alot or people's eyes. It was only 4 years later that a highly reguarded professor or Aribic was ousted because he was Muslim and would not sign Sloan's papers declaring himself a Christian.

On another interesting note anyone who went to Baylor knows that there are only 3 choices when it comes to buying books. I woked for Rothers/Spirit Shop and we could not, and still have a very difficult time getting the correct books because the university book store will not release the book requests to us and the professors face consequenses if they do.....point of this story, we [Spirit Shop] sued Baylor and actually won on the grounds that the majority of students who were in attendence were there on state or federally funded loans thereby throwing out Baylor's claim to be a private institution and thereby forcing them to give us the lists! Small battle I know, but hey we won....and even tho the textbook game is such a racket we are still cheaper! :-p

Pardon my ramblings and as my father says...If Jesus were alive today he'd be a Democrat...My father has also worked very hard with some good people to try to get dear ole BU back on track and it is slowly working...hey...fuck Baylor...let's go to George's!!

Craig Stoker

Perhaps I can help! The fellow who wants to say that because we all sin then baylor shouldnt take any money is wrong! here is why. There is a big difference between a >> (Saved by the Grace of God through the death of Jesus on a cross, and turning from a life of sin to striving to obey God) being on a advisory board and a lost person being on that same board. The real point is'nt that this person was gay. The point is his lifestyle is'nt consistent with how a converted sinner should live his or her life. This is more about belief than sexual preference. This man does not agree with Baylor on an issue that they have no choice but take a stand on. The idea that they are Hypocrits is false, because it is true that everyone on that board is a sinner just like u and I. but they are not pro-Sin they are not out Promoting sin that Baylor is obviously against. You see there is a difference between falling into sin and repenting and living with the consequences of what you've done and Living in what the bible calls sin and then getting angry when there are consequences for continuing to live in Sin. If u believe that being Gay is great then Don't associate with a religious institution that By it's Creed (the Baptist Faith and Mesage) is obviously aposed to any type of Sexual Sin defined in the bible.

Second Point
If the guy wants his money back give it back.

Third point

lets look at What some of our bloggers have said........i'll copy and paste

hey...fuck Baylor...let's go to George's
sloan having his shit eating grin
Baylor sucks. I'll get drunk tonight and take a whiz in the fountain for all of you.
I'll suck his balls Mr. Hat.
Baylor needs to put its money where its asshole is,

As u cas see there is not a lot of maturity in these statments but there is a lot of anger, rage and Hate! I thought that we were all suposed to get along! Baylor is supposed to be more Tolerant!!! to what to people who Have to have it there Way!! And if they don't want to curse yell and screem like 2 year olds when they don't!!! As u can clearly see these bloggers are not very tolerant of What the founders of this college believed and they don't care all they know is they don't agree. The point is there are a zillion colleges that are very very pro Homosexual why if u are pro-gay would you choose to attend a university that is founded and run by Baptist who believe that All sexual sin is wrong? Just go somewhere else! Just so you guys know Im not pro baylor at all!!! But dang u can't go to a church and tell Christians what they need to believe any more than a white person can go into the ACLU and demand that they quit helping black people because they don't BELIEVE that way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Much Love TO all of U

For God so loved the world that he gave us His only Son that who so ever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16

Justin in SC

I stumbled upon your blog while doing a search for Baylor and Herb Reynolds. As a Baylor alumna, class of 91, I think Baylor has some backwards ideas about things (such as not letting the girls who pose for Playboy - with their clothes on - cross the stage at graduation, for instance). However, that is part of the image of Baylor as a very upstanding, Southern Baptist university.

As a recovering Southern Baptist, I find much hypocrisy there, but I also find tons of it in the Catholic faith to which I converted. Does that make all Baptists and all Catholics bad people? No, it just means there are parts of the doctrine that we don't agree with and others that we do.

I think it is sad that someone who worked for an institution would get booted because he was outed (or whatever his circumstances) but I still don't think I'd say Baylor sucks.

My philosophy is that if you don't like a place, go somewhere else. If Baylor's belief system is infuriating to you, go to A&M or UT, where the environment is more liberal minded and open.

One more thing, Jesus would probably NOT be a democrat because he believes that lives are precious and abortion isn't on the top of things that Jesus thinks is cool.

FYI, Craig.

I also shopped at the Spirit Shop and love that place, just FYI.

Hey guys,
for the person who above wrote that Baylor doesn't knock out the people who are adulterers but do knock out the ones who are gays, it's not because being gay is a "worse" sin. Baylor wants professors working for them and others representing them that have a heart searching after God, a heart that yearns for righteousness and longs for everyone they know to have the joy of Jesus Christ in their lives. It's not because being gay is a worse sin, but it's much more apparent that one who announces himself as gay is not someone who is searching after God's own heart and one seeking righteousness. The same for adultery, but who comes out and says, "hey guys, im an adulterer." So when the problem comes up, it comes to the situation that these aren't the people that should be representing our school. It's the same for liars, thiefs, cheaters, etc.

personal opinion, take it or leave it. And if you have any comments about "Baptist Hypocrisy" I'd love to listen.

i read his story, and if the end is true, then it is wrong for people to treat him differently after they learned that he was gay. I don't disagree with removing him from the advisory board, but the way followers of Christ should treat homosexuals is the same way we treat our moms, best friends, brothers, and spouses: with love, acceptance, prayer, and friendship.

Maybe that college in S. Carolina is doing what's right. Maybe he will wonder why they have so much love in their lives, and I pray he will find that it comes from a relationship with Christ alone.

Not with another man or woman.

Ok, so...the reason many people come go to Baylor is not because it is a Baptist school, but for the fact that is a nationally recognized name in Medicine, Law and Music...they are forerunners in many subjects of schooling. Students go, not to associate themselves with Baptists...but to hang their diplomas displaying the money they spent for a good education, be it Christian or not. I myself am not a Baptist, but a Christian none the less, and I totally do not agree with this at all. God gave us free will, to make decisions on our own. And what happened to the idea of judge not lest ye be judged yourself? As to the idea of homosexuality as a sin...check into some of your original translations...you'll be surprised. Thre are quite a few ideas lost in translation. The idea of sodomy is sexual encounters not experianced in nature...sexual immorality defined as the same...yet homosexuality is found in the animal kingdom...but that is beside the point. The man was doing quite a benevolent deed, and to kick him out and then keep his contributions, well, that uphold the stereotype that Christian organizations are only in search of money (i.e Tammy Fay Baker). There are many other things to these points, but, the main idea here is that this was a totally bad idea on the part of the the board...

I spent two years at Baylor in the graduate music program and discovered that there was very little that I thought of as Chrsitian or as a significant graduate learning experience going on. You all, as I had been, are worried about a university which has only marginal significance in the big picture. Get a clue.